Thread: 如果95％的交易者失败.....

I need to get this thread focused again. The point is not that trained traders survive, it's that crooked brokers destroy good traders. A broker simply won't tolerate somebody beating the markets consistently. I am not talking about stupid news trading either. That is a cheap shot. I'm talking about guys that don't trade the news, and still make big bucks.

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我将从另一个类比中做出这样的结论：如果有100个人尝试游泳10英里的大海，没有回头，只有那些受过训练的人才能以其他成本完成。抛开这一点，我认为最大的问题在于交易员，而不是经纪人。 PS。我在这里看到了ff，每周从零售经纪人处获得的欧元/美元头寸统计数据。 90％的交易者都很长，那周欧元/美元一周下跌。所以，这是经纪人的错吗？

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我将从另一个类比中做出这样的结论：如果有100个人尝试游泳10英里的大海，没有回头，只有那些受过训练的人才能以其他成本完成。抛开这一点，我认为最大的问题在于交易员，而不是经纪人。 PS。我在这里看到了ff，每周从零售经纪人处获得的欧元/美元头寸统计数据。 90％的交易者都很长，那周欧元/美元一周下跌。所以，这是经纪人的错吗？

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我需要再次关注这个线程。关键不在于训练有素的交易者能够存活下来，而是歪曲的经纪人摧毁了优秀的交易者。经纪人根本不会容忍有人持续打败市场。我也不是在谈论愚蠢的新闻交易。这是一个便宜的镜头。我说的是那些不交易新闻的人，仍然赚大钱。

那么显然这不是一个伟大的交易者，如果他坚持一个让他/她搞砸的经纪人。你认识到这种情况并转向更好的经纪人。说经纪人摧毁好交易者是ludacris。经纪人可以暂时影响交易员吗？当然。但如果交易者不够智能，不能明智地继续前进。那就是他们。

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Is there any other kind? Maybe the question should be: Why do so many brokers get rich?

There is no need to be greedy in order to get rich but you have to be real on your business that is : do not lie saying you can provide fixed spread even on news and that you provide no slippage order etc etc etc... With spread and the number of order passed everyday you can definitly make money out of your customers. Just make a count : let say a steady 10000 customers making 2 orders a day (that is 4 time the spread on average 3 pips) on 1 lot =gt; 120000$/day =gt;12000$/day with .1 lots... Isn't it a fair deal ?

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只需计算一下：假设一个稳定的10000个客户每天发2个订单（平均3个点的4次点差）1手= gt; 120000美元/天= GT; 12000美元/天，.1手......这不是一个公平的交易吗？

You're absolutely right. I'm being sarcastic. Another question I have about the Forex market: Why does the money a Broker is fined by the CFTC go to the CFTC? Shouldn't it go to the people who were screwed out of it by the broker? Where's the justice there?

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你是绝对正确的。我是讽刺的。关于外汇市场的另一个问题：为什么经纪人被CFTC罚款给CFTC？它应该不是由经纪人搞砸了的人吗？那里的正义在哪里？

you are aboslutely right... Fines should be distributed evenly between the clients rather than being cashed in by the CFTC...

在任何活动，体育，商业，业余爱好中 - 当有人因为事情不按自己的方式寻找自己的理由时 - 他们正在寻找错误的地方。调整您的交易或调整您交易的人。

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You're absolutely right. I'm being sarcastic. Another question I have about the Forex market: Why does the money a Broker is fined by the CFTC go to the CFTC? Shouldn't it go to the people who were screwed out of it by the broker? Where's the justice there?

Hey MM, I know the fines and Judgements by the NFA are distributed, not sure about CFTC, I get a check from the NFA about every 2 years from a broker which was closed back in 94-96 time frame for FRAUD. I traded with this firm back in about 1991 when I was REALLY STUPID....I fell for the Hype. Traded Options ( coffee )

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1) i'll make out of this another analogy: if 100 people tried ti swim 10 miles acros a sea, with no turning back, only those who trained will make it on the other cost. 2) Leaving this behind, i think the big problem is in the head of the trader, not the broker. 3) Ps. i saw here, on ff, a weekly statistic of positions on eur/usd from a retail broker. 90% of traders were long and that week eur/usd went down, all week long. so, is this the broker's fault?

她的答案是：1。不一定。即使是经验丰富且训练有素的交易员也会亏钱请记住那些失去数十亿美元的知名银行的顶级交易员。这两个都是潜在的问题。交易者没有专注。经纪人交易对你来说是我们都必须克服的一大障碍。 3.银行/经纪人/流动性提供者共同行动。答案在于你的问题：看到90％的交易者长期存在，这些政党通过推动市场反向赚钱。一个经纪人不能靠自己做，但他们有强大的盟友（大银行），他们也可以通过打击交易员的止损来赚钱。你真的认为他们会让你的市场上涨并向交易者发放大笔支出吗？一点也不 ！！！我知道普通交易者不容易看到。这是因为操纵非常微妙，精巧且井井有条。这就是为什么他们从95％的交易者中收集并向少数人支付5％。好生意不是吗？

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嘿MM，我知道NFA的罚款和判决是分发的，不确定CFTC，我从NFA那里得到一张关于FRAUD 94-96时间段关闭的经纪人每2年检查一次。我在1991年左右与这家公司进行交易，当时我真的很蠢......我为炒作而堕落。交易选项（咖啡）

我可能是错的，但是我仍然存有现金的外汇经纪人去年被CFTC罚款，例如未能监督员工在工作中的活动以及误导广告。还没有听说过有关和解的事情。???即使他们有一天能获得好的软件，我也永远不会再与他们交易。我希望我错了，如果是的话，我对CFTC的任命。

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她的答案是：1。不一定。即使是经验丰富且训练有素的交易员也会亏钱请记住那些失去数十亿美元的知名银行的顶级交易员。这两个都是潜在的问题。交易者没有专注。经纪人交易对你来说是我们都必须克服的一大障碍。 3.银行/经纪人/流动性提供者共同行动。答案在于你的问题：看到90％的交易者长期存在，这些政党通过推动市场反向赚钱。一个经纪人不能靠自己做，但他们有强大的盟友（大银行），他们也可以通过打击交易员的止损来赚钱。你真的认为他们会让你的市场上涨并向交易者发放大笔支出吗？一点也不 ！！！我知道普通交易者不容易看到。这是因为操纵非常微妙，精巧且井井有条。这就是为什么他们从95％的交易者中收集并向少数人支付5％。好生意不是吗？

好吧，他们一直很付我，我希望他们不跟我走，外汇是我的生活方式。